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Red_Dragon56 · Feb 13, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

What do people here consider "useless" elite skills?
I hear [skill]Ether Prodigy[/skill] and [skill]life transfer[/skill] both I like alot, but I've had GW for 2 years and only 4 GvG experiences (I mostly just RA

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So what are the "useless" elites in the game in terms of PvP?

Acidic Won · Feb 13, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

LMFAO. Ether Prodigy is a very respectable elite. That one elite has shaped the E/Mo Heal Party spammer to what it is today. Life Transfer on the other hand is absolute crap. Damage caused by it is not significant and its recharge makes it even worse.

I also think there is another thread similar to this.

ss1986v2 · Feb 13, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

well, there are no "useless" elite, because they all have a "use." their just are many elites that over shadow others. some of the least usefully, off the top of my head:

dwarven battle stance - dont see the point, better options out there.
hundred blades - sun and moon slash, only not as good.
archers signet - if it wasnt in expertise, then maybe.
quick shot - not bad in itself, just better non-elite options available.
balthazars pendulum - im not even sure of the use here.
keystone signet - not as bad as some make it out to be, still not good.
ether renewal - think you got this and prodigy mixed up.

there are plenty of other ones that see little use, but these are some of the worst that i can think of atm.

minor · Feb 13, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Ild say maybe half(or more) of the elites are not good for gvg so you could have a very long list here...

Thomas.knbk · Feb 13, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Ether Prodigy owns.

Useless elites....lemme think....

[skill]cleave[/skill][skill]hundred blades[/skill][skill]escape[/skill][skill]spike trap[/skill][skill]spell breaker[/skill][skill]shield of regeneration[/skill][skill]Signet of Judgment[/skill][skill]plague signet[/skill][skill]echo[/skill][skill]obsidian flesh[/skill][skill]mind burn[/skill]
[skill]mind freeze[/skill][skill]defy pain[/skill][skill]dwarven battle stance[/skill][skill]flourish[/skill][skill]warrior's endurance[/skill][skill]gladiator's defense[/skill][skill]"victory is mine!"[/skill][skill]marksman's wager[/skill][skill]greater conflagration[/skill][skill]incendiary arrows[/skill][skill]melandru's resilience[/skill]
[skill]aura of faith[/skill][skill]peace and harmony[/skill][skill]unyielding aura[/skill][skill]healing hands[/skill][skill]amity[/skill][skill]life barrier[/skill][skill]mark of protection[/skill][skill]shield of judgment[/skill][skill]life transfer[/skill][skill]well of power[/skill][skill]aura of the lich[/skill]
[skill]fevered dreams[/skill][skill]illusionary weaponry[/skill][skill]keystone signet[/skill][skill]mantra of recall[/skill][skill]glimmering mark[/skill][skill]ether renewal[/skill][skill]mist form[/skill][skill]ward against harm[/skill]

And that's just prophecies. I would do factions and Nightfall, but that would take too much time. Well, you get the idea.

Riotgear · Feb 13, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Obsidian Flesh, Melandru's Resillience, Healing Hands, Aura of the Lich, Glimmering Mark, Escape and Mist Form are not useless elites if you look outside of PvP.

Elites that don't deserve to be elite:
[skill]Primal Rage[/skill]: What's this for again?
[skill]Lacerate[/skill]: Toxicity is better.
[skill]Strike as One[/skill]: Gimpy damage because anything more would make it overpowered in r-spike, as it stands it's just crap.
[skill]Scavenger's Focus[/skill]: Worse than Kindle Arrows.
[skill]Withdraw Hexes[/skill]: Who needs Diversion when your elite diverts itself?
[skill]Balthazar's Pendulum[/skill]: Marginally better than Brace Yourself.
[skill]Shared Burden[/skill]: GoLE + Deep Freeze please.
[skill]Stone Sheath[/skill]: I still can not figure out what this is for.
[skill]"The Power is Yours!"[/skill]: Aria of Zeal + Zealous Anthem. Losing all energy is so worth a saved skill slot. This needs to be redone as a single-target shout with a much bigger energy boost.
[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]: Sucks.

Thomas.knbk · Feb 13, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Wastrel's Collapse is the biggest joke ever. If your opponent doesn't do anything for 5 (five!) seconds, it's a knockdown! Yay! It's the only skill that will do nothing the majority of the time. I think it could use a buff to 1-2 seconds and an addition of wastrel's worry-ish dmg.

Skuld · Feb 13, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Mind Freeze may not be the best, but it did get a very nice update recently.. I doubt it deserves a place in that list.

[skill]Mirror of Ice[/skill] gets my vote

Riotgear · Feb 13, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Wastrel's Collapse is one of those skills that's probably gimpy because if they made it useful, it would be broken. If it's ever short enough to be reliable, then it becomes a really spammy knockdown.

Red_Dragon56 · Feb 13, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Hey thomas, could you break that long line into 2 or 3 sections so you don't break the frames?

Stone Sheath from what I can gather is for Anti Assassin. Because they cannot crit they cannont gain energy for crtical hits.

Spell Breaker? How is that useless? the recharge time is huge to be sure, but the effects are amazing to the point you cannot be hit with any spell.

Echo, plague signet and shield of regeneration are bad? Could you elaborte please?

You list a lot of elites there, it would be nice for somone to elaborate how some of them are useless.

Patccmoi · Feb 13, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

well keep in mind that this is a PvP forum and i gotta say people seem quite biased hehe.

For example, someone above said Glad's Defense is a useless elite, but in PvE it's actually a damn good one and i'm sure a lot of PvE warriors would put that as a top elite. But in PvP it sucks.

And there's quite a couple i disagree with, but meh. Thing is, a lot of elites only work in a few specific builds and are useless out of them, and a lot of elites truly are worthless too, but opinion can differ on a lot of people.

Still, some elites are just worthless. And i agree for something like Withdraw Hexes there. 15E, and if it actually reaches any kind of potential (say, just 3 hexes removed like Divert) it's going on a crazy recharge. And being on monk primary you can't use it on /Mo (unless you want 60s recharge to remove 3 hexes). Or there's the legendary Ether Renewal...

Thomas.knbk · Feb 13, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Red_Dragon56

Hey thomas, could you break that long line into 2 or 3 sections so you don't break the frames?

I'm not sure what you mean. In my window the line adapted to my screen size and it's actually four lines.
Fixed anyway

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Originally Posted by Red_Dragon56

Echo, plague signet and shield of regeneration are bad? Could you elaborte please.

You said in the OP you wanted PvP advice right?
Echo doesn't have a real use. If you want to use a spell more often, Mantra of Recovery is a way better choice. There's not really a situation where you'd want to use a skill twice in succesion so bad that you'd sacrifice your elite for it.
Plague Signet is bad because it's a condition removal with an 8 second recharge that you can only use on yourself. Sure, it has a nice side effect, but compare it to Restore for instance.
Shield of Regeneration is bad because it's a buffed Healing Breeze with a steep price tag, and Breeze isn't good to begin with.

Riotgear · Feb 13, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Red_Dragon56

Stone Sheath from what I can gather is for Anti Assassin. Because they cannot crit they cannont gain energy for crtical hits.

Is that even remotely worth an elite slot though?

Patccmoi · Feb 13, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

Is that even remotely worth an elite slot though?

Dulled Weapon does the same for 10/1/12 and it's not elite. And it's not actually seeing play either (though it's actually a nice hex, especially against Dervishes, with a decent recharge and nice AOE. I think it mostly suffers from being in Communing!)

It doesn't have the awesome attack damage conversion to Earth though. That's leet.

Phades · Feb 14, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by Patccmoi

It doesn't have the awesome attack damage conversion to Earth though. That's leet.

Yeah, that is the best part of the skill. I mean lets just totally bypass physical armor level bonuses and try to unreliably switch it to earth. It makes me think that everyone wants to be wearing ranger armor or something.

Riotgear · Feb 14, 2007, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Patccmoi

It doesn't have the awesome attack damage conversion to Earth though. That's leet.

That's like twice as awesome as Greater Conflagration, one of the best elites in the game!

Oren The Destroyer · Feb 14, 2007, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Has Peace and Harmony seen ANY ACTUAL USE since its inclusion into GW???

nightrunner · Feb 14, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Oren The Destroyer

Has Peace and Harmony seen ANY ACTUAL USE since its inclusion into GW???

A guild got it's name from the skill. That's about it.

Thom Bangalter · Feb 14, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

I'm glad the OP put ether prodigy as a useless elite. Really starts things off on the right note.

Symbol · Feb 14, 2007, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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A guild got it's name from the skill. That's about it.

Yeah, but they're a good guild so by transitive equivalence PnH is a good skill.

Or something.